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Re: Reply to Ron Deane

To: <Harveynestor@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,<swiftsolo@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Reply to Ron Deane
From: "Ron Deane" <rdea6314@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 18:35:17 +1000
References: <a3.4d3b43cb.2cf621e2@wmconnect.com>
Eldon,

No, there was no error.

Without want to appear pedantic, you will have seen the update from Bram 
confirming that the overall tolerance bandwidth is 1/2" (12mm). 

More importantly, it is important to note that the official measurement system 
for the class is metric. Imperial  measurements are given for convenience only. 

Ron 
Brisbane, Australia

PS 
Just to be a little pedantic - the expression Imperial measurement system is 
now an anachronism - it really should be US system - because the politically 
influential US military/industrial complex are the only Luddites who haven't 
seen the wisdom in adopting what is otherwise now an international standard 
having unquestioned advantages.

Thankfully, Bram and others contributing to the development of the rules for 
this class have had the wisdom to adopt that international standard from the 
outset. 

Ron

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Harveynestor@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  To: swiftsolo@xxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 1:33 AM
  Subject: Reply to Ron Deane


  Ron: 

        You are in error.   

  1.  Bram's claim regarding the 1/2" tolerance conflicts with his proposed 
rule.   

        Bram's claim:  "You are required to build your boat within a 1/2" 
(12mm.) . . ." 

        Bram's Rule:  "The hull tolerance with the exception of the transom 
shall be plus or minus 5 mm ..." (Appendix 3 of the proposed rules, 
Instructions to Measurers). 

        Discrepancy:   5 mm is not the same as the 1/4" (6mm) Bram claims. 

              5 mm is not 1/4 (25%) of an inch.  5mm (5/25.4 = .19969) is 19.7% 
of an inch--13.5% less than the 1/4" tolerance Bram claims exists. 

              Even 6 mm is not 1/4" (25%) of an inch.  6 mm (6/25.4 = .2362) is 
23.6% of an inch.   


  2.  There is also a subjective test associated with Part B, Rules 5.12.2 (b) 
and 5.12.2 (c). 

       Rule 5.12.2 (b) states:  The hull shape shall conform to the designer's 
drawings within the tolerances specified by the Measurement Diagrams and these 
Rules.  Note, tolerances are provided on hull measurement stations and points 
to allow for building inaccuracies only.  Any attempt to design within the 
tolerances will not be allowed. 

        I have not received the designer's drawings, i.e. plans, for which I 
paid Bram.  Have you?   

        If one has no drawings from which to measure his hull, how can he be 
assured that his completed boat will fit within the tolerance of 5 mm? and pass 
the subjective test? 

        Wouldn't it be more fair for Bram to provide ALL builders with a copy 
of the plans (assuming that they have paid him) so they can correct any errors 
in construction prior to completion rather than risk thousands of dollars and a 
lot of time in the construction process only to be accused of having tried to 
"cheat by re-designing within the tolerances"?   


        5.12.2 (c) states:  If a measurer believes that a Swift Solo has been 
built with deliberate variations from the full size frame template drawings, 
the measurer must refuse to fill out a hull measurement form. 

        How will the measurer conduct his subjective test?   


  3.  Conclusion: 
         
        In reality: 

        a.  not only is Bram's claim of a 1/4" (6 mm) tolerance inacccurate 
because it is not written in his rules, but 

        b.  the 5 mm tolerance that is written in the rules is only a 
possibility based upon a measurer's subjective opinion. 

        Consequently, the only boats that can be assured of measuring in will 
be the CNC boats.   
       
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