More strip suppliers
posted 2003 Jul 30
I got a reply from Classic
Boat Kits, which has an awesome price on their website of $0.26
per LF. Too good to be true. Their pricing (July 29):
We have prepared a current quote in US funds for the cedar strips you
requested. The Western red cedar is all clear, tight, vertical grain
old growth stock. It has all been milled from larger timbers to give a
good smooth colour consistency.
- 1/4" x 3/4" Western Red cedar bead and cove strips: 50/50 light honey colour and dark
- 360 pcs @ 16' = 5,760' @ $.33/lft = $1,900.80
- Sonotube & Packaging = $50.00
- Ground Freight to a commercially zoned business in
Issaquah,Washington = $210.00 (includes insurance, customs clearance
& there are no duties)
- Add $66.00 for residential delivery
Total: $2,226.80
On the phone, they mentioned that they had just received a shipment
from their eastern supplier. It's a little odd to think that they are
getting all their stock from somewhere out here, then shipping it back
out here.
Raven sent the
following quote (July 23):
360 bead and cove (Western Red Cedar) strips (1/4"(d) x3/4"(w) x 16'(l))
5760 lineal feet x $0.32 per lineal foot | $1,843.20 |
Handling and Packaging (4 tubes required) | $80.00 |
Transport Services: residential delivery
(Seattle, Washington) | $153.34 |
Customs Services: (Norman G, Jensen Inc.) | $50.00 |
Total: $2,126.34
- The strips would be sent in 4 transport tubes that are very
strong. The strips are also wrapped in a foam sheet to ensure
protection of the precision cut bead and cove work.
- 4 free strips will be added free of charge to assist with tone
control and to address occasional breakage.
- The tubes of strips will weigh about 60 pounds each and can be
carried buy one strong boater, or by two more slight "happy go lightly
recreational boater. The tubes can be transported on the roof racks of
most vehicles with a red flag.
The downside to ordering from Raven is that their accent strips
(White cedar) are quite expensive, at $0.55/LF.
I also talked with a supplier at the bottom of the plateau, near
Costco, called Issaquah Cedar & Lumber (I've added them to my
list below). Dean, the guy I talked to, said that they get a lot of
buyers for kayak stripping. They tend to come in, pick over the
stock, buy a few boards at a time, and collect the stock over a long
period. He could sell me clear WRC 1x4 (which is really 11/16" by 3
1/2"), S4S (surfaced four sides), 15 feet and longer, for $1.29/LF.
Wider stock (say, 1x6) isn't as easy to find clear. That's $3.87/BF,
which is better than Edensaw...
I have to say, having someone pick out the best, old-growth, clear
cedar, cut it down and mill it seems like a better idea that starting
from the raw boards and doing it yourself. The companies doing this
(like Raven - up on the B.C. coast) have much better access to the
good lumber that I would.
Stripping
posted 2003 Jul 20
I've starting looking around for cedar strip suppliers. One of the
nice things about building a strip-built boat is that because the
strip-built kayak market is relatively large, there are plenty of
suppliers out there who are willing to sell you strips. This is in
comparison to cedar veneer that I would have to find for the K12 -
that would be considerably harder to find and get quotes on at a
decent price.
I need 360 16 foot ¼" by ¾" bead and cove, Western Red cedar
strips. Further consultation with Bram indicates that 1/3 of these as
16' and 2/3 as 14' will be plenty, which is good because at 16' many
suppliers will increase their prices.
I've entered into the world of wood. It's interesting. Most of
the quotes for finished bead and cove strips are in linear feet (LF).
If you are buying from a mill that doesn't mill down to bead and cove
you will talk in board feet (BF, a BF is a volume - 12 inches by 12
inches by 1 inch, or 144 cubic inches. See here). One
possibility here is to buy a whole bunch of WRC myself and rip it down
and carve the beads and coves in, but it seems like a lot of work to
start out with this and then move on to the actual construction.
Here's my supplier list:
linear feet: 5280
board feet (assume 30 strips in 1 foot): 192
Name | URL | Phone | $/LF | Total | Notes |
Flounder Bay Boat Lumber | go | 1-800-228-4691 | 0.34375 | 1,815.00 | $30 driver fee; local |
Raven | go | 1-877-528-9453 | 0.3 | 1,584.00 | less 10% for > 6000 LF; no knots; no grain run-out; normally cut 20' strips; always send extra; overnight delivery, 4 tubes or 1 box/foam wrapped; 250lbs $100 shipping; +$40 charge for going to house; very friendly & helpful |
Classic Boat Kits | go | (613) 832-0881 | 0.26 | 1,372.80 | |
Newfound Woodworks | go | (603) 744-6872 | 0.45 | 2,376.00 | also has tools |
Edensaw | go | (206) 587-0970 | | | won't cut strips; $6.50/BF for Western Red cedar; $0.25 for surfacing |
Issaquah Cedar & Lumber | none | (425) 392-3631 | | | won't cut strips; $1.29/LF for 1x4 S4S Western Red cedar |
A great reference for all things related to strip building is Schade's website. Another
great site is See
Kayak, which has links to strip suppliers, places to buy router
bits, glass and resin suppliers, and more.
The Swift Solo
posted 2003 Jul 17
Tamara suggested my dad and I meet with the designer of the Swift
Solo ("That sounds like a good father-son bonding idea"). We met with
Bram today. He walked us through the boat, explained it's
construction. To my dad's concern about it's difficulty, Bram said "if
I can build this anyone can" and pulled out the construction manual
and started walking him through the different steps and what was
required at each. Dad was impressed, and commented that the guide was
quite good. I asked as many questions as I could think of, and
finally decided. This is it. It just looks like too much fun to pass
up. I bought the plans - expensive ($575) but I think worth it. This
is going to be fun - I'm looking forward to both building and sailing
this puppy.
[ Swift Solo plans and registration fee: $575]
Strip building
posted 2003 Jul 10
I received my copy of The
Strip-Built Sea Kayak by Nick Schade today. It's great. I've
only skimmed through it, but reading this book makes you want to leap
from your chair and dive right in. After reading through the first
few chapters, I said "hell, why build a sailboat? I could start with
a kayak and then try something else!"
Schade is a descriptive author who very clearly explains the process
involved to build the kayak. Very few tools are involved - a plane, a
model saw, a rasp, and a jackknife. No power tools, something right
up my alley. He goes into all the additional tools which might be
useful - jackplanes, scrapers, sanders (random orbital is the way to
go), saws (jig and table, and his suggestion is to not bother buying a
table saw, borrow one if you want to rip your strips yourself), router
(to mill strips), clamps and the stapler. He talks about all the
materials required in sufficient detail to understand their properties
and where to make choices.
Schade runs through everything - how to loft the plans for his boat,
the workshop and setting up, cutting and assembling the hull,
stripping the hull, fairing and sanding, glassing, and finishing.
There's even a section on being artistic with your strip-laying and
how to add character to your kayak.
It's a great book. It's motivating and while it gives you a clear
idea of what's in store, makes that appear doable and clearly
describes what needs doing. It's the best kind of do-it-yourself
book.
[ The Strip-Built Sea Kayak, by Nick Schade: $13.97]
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