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Subject: Milling Strips.
From: "Gregory Ryan" <gregoryrryan@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 15:56:20 -0400
Tom and Felix asked about milling strips,

 

I can source cedar here in NYC/NJ at an increased cost to what Bram can in the 
Pacific Northwest. I am sure he will post his material choice mileage. My cost 
is $1.49 /ft for 1X4 S4S A+ cedar. This material may have knots < 25% giving a 
reasonable probability that if I sorted at the lumber yard I'd get enough 
completely clear to make the boat. I think this will cost me (30 boards total,  
4 boards @ 16ft and 26 boards @ 14ft =$95+$542. or total cost of ~$640 USD

I can get 1X6 S4S A+ at $2.30/ft.

The 1by's are really ¾ inch so the strips come at a little less than ¾ after 
bead and cove is applied, making me use more strips and more heavy glue which 
really adds no strength.

As and alternative I can get 5/4 X 4 decking boards completely clear. They come 
in a random lengths in the pack (from the supplier to the lumber yard) 20ft to 
5ft. Plenty of 16's and 14's These have a radius on the corners so I loose one 
strip from these (or get 2 narrower strips). But the strips are wider so I use 
slightly less strips. The cost is 2.11/ft. and its easy to sort for flat sawn 
boards.

I don't like the wider strips because by sanding fair you will reduce the hull 
thickness where the radius is greatest under the wings and where it counts (see 
my earlier post). You could use the wider strips on the hull bottom and the 
narrow strips on the topsides under the wings and the deck. They will be harder 
to bend.

 

Nate Anderson in OR has kindly offered to supply already cut and milled strips 
for 25-30c /ft + shipping.

Newfound woodworks for example sells these same strips for 45c per lineal foot.

At Nate's prices and Bram's estimate of material required ~ 360 strips total,  
25X16footers + 335 X14footers = $1272 to $1527 + delivery. A very fair price, 
thank you Nate.

 

If you want to cut and mill the strips yourself here are some ideas that might 
help.

 

1) Narrow kerf blade. 

You want to cut the strips smooth so that there is less sanding on the hull 
surface consider buying the Freud Diablo laser cut stabilized finish saw blade. 
It is a 7 ¼ inch 5/8th arbor 40tooth carbide blade with a narrow 0.052in kerf. 
It is also Teflon coated. Bram suggested to me that with such a narrow kerf it 
might be possible to use dado blade spacers to mount 2-3 blades at 1/4 in 
spacing and cut multiple strips in one pass with the average handyman table 
saw. I don't see why this wouldn't work if you made a double or triple riving 
knife and fixed it overhead to the fence.The Diablo blade can be sourced from 
The Borg (Home Depot) ~~$10.

Freud also have a nice 10in ultra-finish blade with a slightly less than 
regular (0.125in) sized kerf. It is an 80 carbide tooth 5/8th arbor table saw 
blade with 0.1inch kerf and Teflon finish. It is a bit pricey though (much more 
than 2X) compared to their 7 ¼ saw though. 

2) Infeed and outfeed tables.

Consider using 2 pieces of scrap from the plywood leftover from strongbacks as 
8ft long infeed and outfeed fences.

3) Routers and Bits

MLCS (MLCSwoodworking.com) have cheap prices on bead and flute router bits. 
They are also known as Canoe bit sets. If you ask for them, you will get the 
right ones. Their item No is 5415. for $39.95

Use your high power router inverted or if you don't have one and are going to 
build a router jig for this job (use the scrap from the strongbacks) you can 
use lighter weight laminate cutter/routers from JNJ (JNJtools.biz) $25 each and 
they seem to me to be reliable. JNJ also have a 2hp plunge router for $35. 
Amazing but don't be put off by the low price. These guys have done OK by me.

 

For my own strip cutting I have made a strip mill that cuts both bead and cove 
in one pass. I used 2 JNJ trimmer Routers and a 7amp, 21inch JNJ belt sander 
($29.50) teamed with a MLCS router speed control ($25) to slow it to 10ft/min 
as a power feed. I left my camera with Bram yesterday while we were at Columbia 
River Gorge (fabulous regatta site), when I get it back (hint) I'll take 
pictures for you all. I cut a few pine test strips today and it worked well. 
All up it cost me about $150 and a polypropylene chopping board.

 

I hope all this info helps you decide what you will do about strips.

One more tip. If you are just about up to cutting your sections now. Consider 
gluing the paper sections on thinner base material say ¼ in hardboard (Masonite 
to you Aussies). Its easier to sand to the exact size. Drill holes through the 
control lines then overlay it on the station particle board and rout around it 
with a top ball bearing ½ in diameter pattern/flush trim cutting bit (MLCS 2 
flute carbide # 6506 ¼ in shank $15) . This will leave you with an exact copy 
of the section plan. You can mark the control lines on it and the scrap piece 
is ½ inch larger all round and so with a ¼ in carpet padding will perfectly fit 
the bottom of the hull when it comes time to rotate the hull. It would also be 
a good template to help make the cedar cradle and dolly.

 

Finally, Bram and I have been talking and negotiating with John Sweet to put 
together a package deal. I hope we can get discounted prices on 2 packages, a 
starter pack to get the materials needed to do the bulkheads etc and a final 
package of all the rest. Bram, I guess, will let you know if that goes through. 
John's prices, as most of you have already found out, are superior already. 
Margins are thin so the discount will not be huge, but something is not nothing.

 

Ciao Greg

Swift Solo USA009 - Rose.
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