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Re: Fort Desoto informal discussion on class growth--please respond

To: BDally6107@xxxxxxx, SwiftSolo@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Fort Desoto informal discussion on class growth--please respond
From: ryoalty <ryoalty@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:35:22 -0700 (PDT)
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Bram,
   
  I'm for building the hull from a mold. 
   
  I still think the rigging and parts should be assembled/ fabricated by the 
sailor.  No sissies need apply.  That's an even compromise.  It will allow new 
class members to come on board after the crucible of a build, and a lighter and 
shorter build at that.  Buy a semi finished hull for $5 thousand, and the rest 
for another 5-7 thousand.  Sounds fair.   A finished and complete boat takes 
lots and lots of man hours and raises the price too high. Delivering a hull in 
some form of finished / semi finished state is an easy purchase agreement.  The 
builder needs the appropriate liability coverage.  Small investment in tools 
and real estate, packaging and shipping. End of story. 
   
  The class should own the molds, and should be positively controlled by the 
class.  In order to vote to destroy the thing under some extreme conditions, ie 
if the builder is making lousy boats.
   
  David Slevin
   
  ps.  I'll be visiting Desoto perhaps Tuesday night, and staying for as long 
as I can.

   
  
BDally6107@xxxxxxx wrote:
         
  At last years Annual General Membership meeting, the class decided that 
discussion considering the possibility of allowing Nomex/hybrid hulls should be 
held outside of our AGM.  It was further proposed that I form a technical 
committee of three people to consider different construction methods and to put 
forward three molded options to the class.  Roger agreed to be part of the 
committee as he has some commercial experience building Swifts.
   
  I have attempted to engage a number of Swift builders in this process to get 
a measure the level of passion and have had little success.  Roger has taken on 
a new job and has had little time to communicate. 
   
  Because that is not working, I would like to be part of an informal 
discussion at Fort Desoto with all of the attending class members to get an 
idea of where we want to go and how we want to get there.  This type of 
discussion will not work at the AGM.    It has been attempted during the past 
couple of meetings.   It will get postponed or passed on to some 
â??to-be-announcedâ?? committee of folks who live 2,000 miles apart.  Email 
technical discussions require a very large time commitment.  We can likely 
accomplish in 1 hour of live discussion what would take months to accomplish 
via committee email discussion.  Important conclusions could be passed on to 
the class for a vote or for further discussion at next years AGM. 
   
  Let me make it clear that I have no interest in going into the boat building 
business.  From the time I decided to move forward with Swift class building, 
my interest has been to give something back to this sport without spending too 
much money along the way.  I owe more to high performance sailing than I will 
likely ever pay.
   
  On the other hand, I have no desire to see this class flushed down the toilet 
like the 49er class in the US.  Allowing  unproven builders to produce molded 
boats commercially at this early stage would do to our class what Vanguard did 
to the 49er class.    
   
  A number of ideas have been developed over the years that I'd like to present 
(about 15 minutes) on how we can move forward with solving our manufactured 
boat shortage for those who don't  have the time to build a Swift. These ideas 
revolve around the following objectives:
   
              1. How to protect the interests of the existing Swift member 
builders to ensure that their boats, if properly built, would remain 
competitive at the top level.  This would require some patience as about 7 
minutes of technical findings would need to be presented. 
   
    
   How to protect the future of the class by putting in place a method of 
control on production quality/ methods/materials until at least 100 molded 
Swifts were built.  Part of this formula would be to make molded hulls 
available to Swift home builders and to ensure that the standard Swift deck 
would mate with the molded hulls.  After 100 hulls are built, I would be a 
proponent of  free enterprise.
   
    
    How to convince a quality builder to participate while protecting his 
initial investment.
   Please let me know if you are interested in attending such an informal 
discussion.  I have no interest whatever in doing this during the AGM and I 
promise this will be the last time I will ask if there is little interest.
   
  Also, I'm up to my ass in alligators finalizing details in preparation for 
the regatta (both personal and class) and do not wish to engage in an email 
discussion on this topic other than the agenda and/or topics for the 
discussion.  Details and questions should be saved for that time.  We will keep 
good notes and post them for the class members who were unable to attend.  
Remember, this is not class business and should be viewed as preparation of a 
possible proposal to the class.
   
  Itâ??s been snowing for three days up here.  Get me out of here!  See you 
guys in two weeks.  
   
  Bram




    
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