By the way, from doing the import on a Musto Skiff, I think you would be
challenged to be able to get the whole boat done for 10k. It would be very
cool if you could, but I suspect that you would be looking more at around 15k
if you do a quality build. You have the build of the hull, and the supply of
the other components, plus you have the time to put it all together and rig the
boat which is substantial labor. Iâm not an expert on the building, and so
on, but you also wonât have the volume to get massively efficient on the
build costs of the hull. You might be able to put together a ready to assemble
kit, which has everything built, and needing to be put together though.
Kind Regards,
Ron
From: S/V Pyxis [mailto:pyxisyacht@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 1:03 PM
To: 'ryoalty'; BDally6107@xxxxxxx; SwiftSolo@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Fort Desoto informal discussion on class growth--please respond
Let me start by saying I am not a class member - just a lurker and wannabe.
That said, the reason I am not (yet) a class member is that I donât have the
time to build a boat.
I have looked at a couple of the boats that have been for sale, but none has
been right for me.
I LOVE the strip boats, but with working 60 hours a week in my first job and
another 15-20 in my second and helping my wife raise a 3 year old boy, and
keeping my 40 year old âgirl friendâ looking young, I just donât have any
additional time to build a Swift!
Soâ yes! I would love to be able to spend say $10k for a boat ($5k/$5k) that
would get me on the water.
Eventually I think I will build a strip boat (or have one built for me), but
what I really want to do is learn to sail one of these babies!
OK that is my $0.02
Cheers
Paul
Sailing Yacht Pyxis
1968 Hinckley Pilot 35
pyxisyacht@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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From: ryoalty [mailto:ryoalty@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 3:35 PM
To: BDally6107@xxxxxxx; SwiftSolo@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Fort Desoto informal discussion on class growth--please respond
Bram,
I'm for building the hull from a mold.
I still think the rigging and parts should be assembled/ fabricated by the
sailor. No sissies need apply. That's an even compromise. It will allow new
class members to come on board after the crucible of a build, and a lighter and
shorter build at that. Buy a semi finished hull for $5 thousand, and the rest
for another 5-7 thousand. Sounds fair. A finished and complete boat takes
lots and lots of man hours and raises the price too high. Delivering a hull in
some form of finished / semi finished state is an easy purchase agreement. The
builder needs the appropriate liability coverage. Small investment in tools
and real estate, packaging and shipping. End of story.
The class should own the molds, and should be positively controlled by the
class. In order to vote to destroy the thing under some extreme conditions, ie
if the builder is making lousy boats.
David Slevin
ps. I'll be visiting Desoto perhaps Tuesday night, and staying for as long as
I can.
BDally6107@xxxxxxx wrote:
At last years Annual General Membership meeting, the class decided that
discussion considering the possibility of allowing Nomex/hybrid hulls should be
held outside of our AGM. It was further proposed that I form a technical
committee of three people to consider different construction methods and to put
forward three molded options to the class. Roger agreed to be part of the
committee as he has some commercial experience building Swifts.
I have attempted to engage a number of Swift builders in this process to get a
measure the level of passion and have had little success. Roger has taken on a
new job and has had little time to communicate.
Because that is not working, I would like to be part of an informal discussion
at Fort Desoto with all of the attending class members to get an idea of where
we want to go and how we want to get there. This type of discussion will not
work at the AGM. It has been attempted during the past couple of meetings.
It will get postponed or passed on to some ÃâÅto-be-announcedÃâÂ
committee of folks who live 2,000 miles apart. Email technical discussions
require a very large time commitment. We can likely accomplish in 1 hour of
live discussion what would take months to accomplish via committee email
discussion. Important conclusions could be passed on to the class for a vote
or for further discussion at next years AGM.
Let me make it clear that I have no interest in going into the boat building
business. From the time I decided to move forward with Swift class building,
my interest has been to give something back to this sport without spending too
much money along the way. I owe more to high performance sailing than I will
likely ever pay.
On the other hand, I have no desire to see this class flushed down the toilet
like the 49er class in the US. Allowing unproven builders to produce molded
boats commercially at this early stage would do to our class what Vanguard did
to the 49er class.
A number of ideas have been developed over the years that I'd like to present
(about 15 minutes) on how we can move forward with solving our manufactured
boat shortage for those who don't have the time to build a Swift. These ideas
revolve around the following objectives:
1. How to protect the interests of the existing Swift member builders
to ensure that their boats, if properly built, would remain competitive at the
top level. This would require some patience as about 7 minutes of technical
findings would need to be presented.
2. How to protect the future of the class by putting in place a method of
control on production quality/ methods/materials until at least 100 molded
Swifts were built. Part of this formula would be to make molded hulls
available to Swift home builders and to ensure that the standard Swift deck
would mate with the molded hulls. After 100 hulls are built, I would be a
proponent of free enterprise.
3. How to convince a quality builder to participate while protecting his
initial investment.
Please let me know if you are interested in attending such an informal
discussion. I have no interest whatever in doing this during the AGM and I
promise this will be the last time I will ask if there is little interest.
Also, I'm up to my ass in alligators finalizing details in preparation for the
regatta (both personal and class) and do not wish to engage in an email
discussion on this topic other than the agenda and/or topics for the
discussion. Details and questions should be saved for that time. We will keep
good notes and post them for the class members who were unable to attend.
Remember, this is not class business and should be viewed as preparation of a
possible proposal to the class.
ItÃââs been snowing for three days up here. Get me out of here! See you
guys in two weeks.
Bram
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