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Re: Class Rules Opinions please

To: "Greg Ryan" <greg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, swiftsolo@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Class Rules Opinions please
From: "Robert Harper" <rharper@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 11:31:35 -0600
In-reply-to: <016801c6c157$a3ff7060$0f01a8c0@iciny.com>
References: <20060816073214.74194.qmail@web37115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <016801c6c157$a3ff7060$0f01a8c0@iciny.com>
I don't think the pole exit should extend past the max. lenght of the boat. There will be a point load at the exit no matter what you do. The added support of a tube that runs back into where the ring is might help some but I'm not sure how much you'd gain and you would add weight with the extra material. I think one of the keys would be to make the exit fit rather snug to the pole so that it can't snap around as you go bouncing merrily along.

So am I now officially the VP or is it still provisional? I was speaking mostly as a member at large with my comment and was not intending to put it forward as a member of the board. If it is official, I'll be more careful with what I say in the future.

On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 11:15:57 -0600, Greg Ryan <greg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Steve, I didn't get a reply from you regarding the mast data I sent or the Australian Member National Authority and ISSA Council delegate. In the mean time, and possibly of interest, we have been measuring the 29er over here. As you know the 29er hull is very close in size and weight and shape to the Swift. The 29er jib IS the same size as ours, but our mast and main is bigger. The 29er XX carbon mast is said to have the same (or very close) overall mast dimensions as ours, of course the standing rig will be different so I have been waiting to get hands on the 29erXX rig to check the dimensions and compare the Pride/Bethwaite designed spinns. Maybe this is something you can work out. In any case it might be a simple option, but not necessarily any cheaper, IF it is sized close enough. Worth looking at anyway? (Some picture comparisons are up on Al's flicker site).

[snip]

Alternatively you might make the outermost part of the receiving tube at position 4.375m and extend the structure inwards, attached to the deck. As the designers building guidelines now stand, the pole guide and forestay fitting complex is not all that far in front of the pole collar. A receiving tube extending back that far or most of the way might accomplish the objective? The attachment of the pole is not a controlled measurement point, per se, in so far as it does not frustrate the rules or alter the nature of the design. Hence the reason for inclusion of rule B.4.5



Good sailing..


Greg Ryan

ISSA President.





 ----- Original Message -----
  From: Steve Nichols
  To: Swiftsolo
  Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 3:32 AM
  Subject: Class Rules Opinions please


Guys,


I've been talking to Clive at CST re masts for Swifts over here. We are also going to get the other spars from him ie spinnaker pole and boom.

Clive is very keen to change our pole launching system so the spin pole retracts into a receiving sleeve a la I14 style. This has a couple of advantages - smoother launches and no issues with point loads on the pole. The question I have is that reading the class rules it specifies that the pole must retract to 700mm of the stem. We would like the receiving pole to go out to this dimension - this further minimises any bending that may occur.

What are peoples opinions? Is this breaching the rules or not?

Also what actual length are the poles in use and diameter?

Cheers,


Steve


nb the 14s allow this but it is specifically catered for in their rules

Class rule extract

a. The Spinnaker Pole shall be retractable to within 700mm (27 5/8 inches) of the stem. The length from the AMP to the outer most extremity of the spar, when the spar is fully extended shall not exceed 6.095m (240 inches).



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