Re: finding cedar

["Robert Harper" <rharper@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

No problem that question I had an answer for. I found somewhere that  
someone smarter than me had done a lot of research on what angle a joint  
should be to minimize waste and maximize strenght. I think it was the  
kayak building book Bram had on his web site. First I used butt joints on  
my canoe. That worked fine but it left a lot of fairing to do. Then on  
another boat I would scarf join them but put the strips together on the  
strongback. That was better but still a lot of planing and sanding to fair  
in. I did find that if the joint was over a station, it held better and I  
had less of a chance shooting a staple trough the strip and into my  
finger. The best has been to join the pieces prior to heading to the  
router and I'd even run the strips through a thickness planer. This made  
my trip to the router table much easier and I had very little sanding and  
scraping to fair things in.

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On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:49:43 -0700, Matt Broughton  
<matt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Robert,
>
> Thanks for that info, your boat turned out beautifully so that puts my  
> mind
> at ease quite a bit.
>
> I actually sent Bram the $$ today for the plans, patterns, etc.  So  
> looking
> forward to getting started after the holidays.
>
> -Matt
>
> On Dec 19, 2007 4:43 PM, Robert Harper <rharper@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > I scarf joined most of my strips and it works fine with a 12:1 bevel. I
> > set up a guide on a radial saw that would make this cut every time. As
> > long as I cut slowly, I did not have a fine tooth blade, it worked  
> > great.
> > It is a bit of a PITA but it can be done. I also made a jig where I  
> > could
> > stack the joints and clamp them down. A glue like "Gorilla Glue" works
> > great for this. I've stuck them together on the strong back and pre  
> > glued
> > the joints. It is far better to glue the joints and fair them in before
> > you route the cove and bead than to wait and try to get them to line up
> > while stripping. It will work both wasy but having one continuous strip
> > when stripping leads to an easier time and a more fair, less sanding and
> > planing, process.
> >
> > I'll have to check to see if I have pictures somehwere of the jig I used
> > to clamp the joints. I don't have one on this computer.
> >
> > On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:32:31 -0700, Matt Broughton
> > <matt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > I gave a call to them and Blanton Building in Little River that I got
> > > from
> > > that same site (WRCLA)  both places said they didn't have any clear
> > > planks
> > > but they do have a ready supply of 2x8's in lengths 12'-18'.
> > >
> > > I was wondering how much of a difference it makes if I scarf around
> > > where I
> > > cut the knots out?  I'm thinking if I use the same piece and just cut
> > the
> > > knot out I can probably keep the grain reasonably matched up.  Might  
> > not
> > > be
> > > perfect, but would it be that visible?  Do I have any other options?
> >  Are
> > > any other wood choices viable that might be more readily available in
> > the
> > > area?
> > >
> > > *sigh* It's the little fiddly things like this that I've got no clue
> > > about.
> > >
> > > -Matt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Dec 19, 2007 4:21 PM, <WFS03@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Matt,
> > >> The Western Red Cedar Lumber Association lists a local supplier:
> > >>
> > >> *Shuman-Owens Supply Company *
> > >> 1080 Shop road
> > >> Columbia, SC 29201
> > >> US
> > >>
> > >> *Tel*: 803-765-9740 *
> > >> Fax*: 803-771-8978
> > >>
> > >> See if they have WRC Clear 5/4" x 6" or 4", in 14' or 16' lengths,
> > >> preferably flat-sawn so that you can cut quarter-sawn strips.  That  
> > way
> > >> you
> > >> will have roughly vertical grain in your finished strips and the  
> > least
> > >> amount of waste.  184 board feet of 5/4"x6" was purchased for USA020
> > >> and I
> > >> have approximately 1800' of strips left over for the next boat after
> > >> finishing USA020.  Hope that this helps.
> > >>
> > >> Bill Scheumann
> > >> USA020 and USA040
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > to do it.
> > USA 050 Fugu
> > 77959 Wasabi
> > Robert Harper
> .



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Live large, love lots, and sail fast!
The mark of who you are is determined by what you do when you don't have  
to do it.
USA 050 Fugu
77959 Wasabi
Robert Harper

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