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Re: Vang Fabrication

To: <WFS03@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Vang Fabrication
From: "Greg Ryan" <gregoryrryan@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:39:25 -0400
Cc: <swiftsolo@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Bill, before you take the mast to Tony DeLima, if you have removed the track, 
sand the bugger with your ROS and 80 grit and get that outer epoxy coating down 
to the Carbon. You will not regret it. Coat later with 2pt LPU, I have some I 
can share with you, if you need, in either clear or white. You willonly use a 
small part of a can. 

I have a very strong feeling that the center sleeve connecting the two pin 
holding collars is the right way to go! But that's just me. 

I think that when the boat is rigged and the vang attached, even if on the 
beach, it will want to twist when you disengage the spring pull pin.  Two pins 
will be impossible, better just rivet it to the mast and drill out the rivets 
if you break it. 

The design I drew has two key features that make it work, 1) the HMW adhesive 
back shim material, inside the central sleeve, that leaves no play and 2) the 
HMW key.  Moving that sucker up or down to the hole, you just hear a pleasing 
thunk when the pin drops in the hole just like the door slam on a new car. No 
play whatsoever,  just right. 

Its not even hard to make. Just wrap the sleeve slightly big in diameter and 
length (wrap 3-5 layers of Mylar under the carbon windings using the actual 
mast tube as a mandrill), measure the gap of the fit and order the adhesive 
back HMW sheet of the appropriate thickness from McMaster Carr (comes in 2 
days).  Make the two collars (in one piece) by winding several to quite a few 
layers of 3" carbon uni around  with only a thin layer of Mylar windings over 
the sleeve as  a mandrill. On those windings put your nylon bushes (or use a 
bit of SS tube from me) and a few more outer windings to bind it all in, check 
alignment of the bushes is parallel to axis.  The collars seem aesthetically a 
bit thick in my diagram to allow a bit of meat to thread the spring pull pin 
into.  Fill in any vacuoles with epoxy 410 peanut butter. When the epoxy is 
set, table saw the sleeve ends  and the collars into two and make the ends  
neat. Then run the sleeve through the table saw longitudinally to make the 
keyway. Epoxy the collars on the ends of the newly slit sleeve, without twist 
(by lying sideways on the bench), at the correct spacing of course - based on 
the height of your vang pivot piece. Just use a small hand file to remove some 
of the material from the collars over the keyway so that the keyway is clear 
from top to bottom and you are done.  The ring pull pin can be screwed into a 
3/8 #16 course thread hole tapped in the front. 

To make the key, use your oldest kitchen HMWPE cutting board put through the 
table saw  to make material of the right width and height. I drilled the rivet 
holes in the key and then used a forstner bit to countersink the pop rivet 
heads.  Make a few extras to hand out to your mates. 

I'd suggest you don't drill any locating holes in your mast untill the boat is 
rigged with mainsail up and mainsheet on. Set the vang lever to the middle of 
its throw and remove the spring pull pin and drill your 1/4 inch hole in the 
mast face for a perfect fit. Add locating holes as required for more vang 
throw. 

Good luck with it, however you decide to build it!
Greg



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: WFS03@xxxxxxx 
  To: gregoryrryan@xxxxxxxxxxx 
  Cc: swiftsolo@xxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 9:42 PM
  Subject: Re: Vang Fabrication


  Greg,
  Thank you for the suggestions.  I had seen the new vang sleeve/collar design 
on one of Bram's boats last year at the regatta.  I envision making the collars 
without the carbon center sleeve, so that I can remove the pivot base that has 
the permanently bonded 1/4" SS pin.  The separate collars will be held in 
position on the mast each with self-retracting pins, like the one you show on 
the Power Point.  With two separate pins used to position the collars, making 
on-the-water changes to the vang position on the mast will be difficult.

  Alternatively, I can build the assembly with the center sleeve and collars 
with the nylon bushings for the 1/4" pin.  Then install and bond the pivot base 
to the SS pin that is installed in the nylon bushings.  The pin and pivot base 
will not be removable from the collars.  The entire assembly will be positioned 
with one self-retracting pin.

  Your idea of using the HMWPE to position the collar is a good one, but maybe 
overkill for my fabrication abilities.  Do you feel that one pin, used for 
positioning the assembly on the mast, will be sufficient to hold the vang in 
position on the mast, given the compression loads involved?

  btw, I am taking my mast down to Forte in CT tomorrow for Plexus retro-fit of 
the mast track.

  Bill Scheumann

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